The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .300 WSM Winchester Short Magnum vs .308 Winchester ammo rounds. John. Close enough. (I felt guilty, like I had betrayed an old friend, which my old 7mm is.) This was especially true with hand loads. Ballistics comparison video between the 7mm Remington Magnum vs the 300 Winchester Magnum. By the same token, the fact that the 7mm Remington Magnum also has a relatively mild recoil also makes it a great cartridge for mountain hunts where a lightweight rifle is really desirable, like mountain goat, bighorn sheep, Himalayan Tahr, and chamois hunting. Though they both have the same rim diameter and are very similar in overall length, the longer case length and advantage of the shoulder placement on the .300 Win Mag gives that cartridge a 5-8% advantage in capacity over the 7mm Rem Mag. Indeed, the 7mm Mag will shoot the same weight bullet faster than the .30-06. The 175 grain bullet worked well on Elk and caribou for me. 1. Most hunts you can get within 200-300 yards and less and my 308 works just fine. Re: 7mm mag vs 7mm wsm ?? Tikk T3 Lite A fine choice for a Moose HUnting Rifle, New to hunting, won a moose draw in BC. Simply click here to return to Hunting Rifle. Both are very capable and ⦠(140 BT at 3150).485 +2.5" +2.4" 3"@150: 310: 7mm Rem. Thank you – great information and detail. Seems to be nice to shoot. The Lyman 50th Edition (p214-216 & 260-262), and Hornady 10th Edition (p406-411, 537, 545, & 574-585) reloading manuals were also used as references for this article. Exactly what I was looking for. Of these, 140 grain, 150 grain, 160 grain, and 175 grain loads are by far the most common. I’m a bit of a rookie when it comes to big game hunting, six deer and two bull Elk. As an example, 150 grain and 175 grain .284″ bullets have sectional densities of .266 and .310 respectively. As a matter of fact, there is. But it’s nonetheless like, do you choose filet mignon or Delmonico ribeye? Add text to both sides. Customizable Moose Keychain Fobs in 5 colours. Maybe I’m a bit of a wimp, but when everything doesn’t go as planned, and you need to take an extra 10 or 15 shots at the range to get the new scope or new loads figured out, or verify your MPBR, that extra recoil can take a real toll. Excellent article — however, I will stick to my 30-06s. Either will neatly terminate deer, sheep, elk and larger game so long at the shooter delivers the right bullet to the right spot. However, the .300 Winchester Magnum generally uses heavier bullets than the 7mm Remington Magnum. vs. 7mm Rem. Hope this helps! No question it isn’t. If we look at the graph, the first thing you should notice is that all ten rounds generate a pretty significant amount of recoil with all over 24ft.lbs of energy. Do you spend a lot of time in the mountains or the backcountry mountain goat, sheep, or tahr hunting where it’s really nice to have a lightweight rifle? However, I’d prefer the .300 Win Mag with 180 grain bullets over the 7mm Mag in that situation. Ballistics Cartridges Shooting. Love the sev mag. Check out the .280 Remington or the .280 Ackley Improved.The .280 AI will give you virtually the same performance as the 7mm Mag in a non-belted case with less recoil and while burning less powder. I’ve been told by more than a few experienced hunters that the 7mm bullet is too small to break thru the heavy bones of a large Elk. Fantastic article! Mag. By the way, there’s nothing wrong with distance shooting, provided that you practice for it. I will likely read more in the future. The.300 Win Mag and 7mm Rem Mag cartridges hit the market around the same time and are both hugely popular in the hunting and shooting communities. I have tested, owned, built and shot many 7 rem mags, 7mm-300 win mags, a few 7 stw's, a 7 RUM or two and others in the .284 family. The 7mm WSM, 25 WSSM, and 223 WSSM are the guests of honor at a wake near you. Put your favourite caliber, rifle make or saying on it. Load some 208 eldm and push it at 2800fts, itâs a hammer! 300 wsm brass 300 wsm nickel 303 british unprocessed 307 winchester brass 308 federal headstamp 308 hornady headstamp sale!!! The .270 Winchester vs. the 7mm Remington Magnum. Hope this helps, Due to its advantage in case capacity, the .300 Win Mag has a noticeably flatter trajectory along with approximately 20% more energy than the .30-06 Springfield. https://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/270-vs-280-remington-vs-280-ackley-improved-vs-7mm-mag/ Good luck on your elk hunt! On the other hand, the .300 Winchester Magnum has a slightly longer case length (2.62″ vs 2.5″) as well as a shoulder that sits .156″ further forward than the shoulder of the 7mm Rem Mag. Looking at the recoil of the .300 Win Mag vs .300 WSM is important for understanding certain situations that you might favor one over the other. Thanks for your comment Bentley! Recoil of the 300 WSM should be pretty much the same as the 300 Win Mag. Second, Winchester also started producing massive amounts of quality factory ammunition in .300 Win Mag and many of the other big ammunition companies soon followed. The 175 grain bullet worked well on Elk and caribou for me. Best of luck to you with your upcoming hunts! The trajectory is not quite as flat with the .375 as it is with the 7mm or .300, but it will fit the bill nicely out to 300 yards or so if you’re up to the task as a shooter. The few I ended up owning were traded off. It takes some range time to dial it in for a specific load, but once you have it dialed in, it is an outstanding flat shooting rifle for small and medium sized game at longer ranges than a 30-06. I’m about to have my once in a lifetime dream custom rifle made. They are same-same. So while the cartridge was moderately popular among shooters and hunters prior to World War II, the outsized length of the .300 H&H hampered more widespread acceptance of the cartridge and contributed to its decline in popularity during the ensuring decades. As far as the discussion between the 300 short mag and the 7mm mag I think you are splitting hairs. Buy an excellent .300 Winchester Magnum hunting rifle here. Mule Deer Cartridge Showdown: .270 Win. We are going to park the quads this year and use the boat, get away from the others. Either one is relatively easy to load for. Glad you enjoyed the article Heine. Mag. for all your hard work. Take care, The .300 WSM was the first of Winchesters short magnum family, released in 2001. But granted, in the field I don’t think I’ve ever felt any recoil at all. 7mm Rem. Its got history, the 300 WSM has been around for about 5 years or so. I think you’re making a great choice! Feb 22, 2009 #2 The longest shot at 550 yards. The .300 Win Mag does have slightly less bullet drop and carries more energy down range. On the contrary, it’s a fantastic cartridge that’s extremely popular for good reason. It’s also an excellent cartridge for hunting most species of African plains game. The correct answer is - YES. It figures when the Postal Circus is involved.Ed. But the 300 WSM is ⦠It's easy to do. So I also agree with shato flip a coin. It’s a superb round. My question is, is there a 7mm or something ballistically similar but not belted? Or are you wanting to increase your moose hunting skills? For me the recoil really is a problem though. In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. Got tons of one shot kills on game including long range. I intend to hunt whitetail deer, hogs and possibly mule deer here in Texas. Dale emailed us:Cool website, nice to see others that consider the moose as a majestic creature. I think we’re in agreement overall with the 7mm Mag and 300 Win Mag, it’s just a matter of degrees. Mag., or become just another .300 magnum in the herd. Either (assuming .300 Win Mag) one can be bought in just about any sporting goods store that sells rifles and ammunition. Mag. If you can make the shot and score an ethical kill on the game animal, go for it. Among others, the Remington Model 700, Browning X-Bolt, CZ-550, Mossberg Patriot, Nosler M48, Ruger M77 Hawkeye, Savage 11/111, Thompson Center Compass, Tikka T3X, Weatherby Mark V and Vanguard, and the Winchester Model 70 are all available in 7mm Remington Magnum and .300 Winchester Magnum. However, they really shine in situations where hunters need a flat shooting cartridge for taking shots out past 200-300 yards. Mug behind the rifle will have more impact calling wind. Even so, the advent of the .300 Winchester Magnum resulted in a sharp decline in popularity of the .308 Norma for two primary reasons. At the same time, it was also extremely accurate (Ben Comfort famously won the 1935 Wimbledon Cup using the cartridge). This is ture, but my tikka 300 wsm even over 100 thous off land and factory mag feed, it shoots better than seating it out to land. From a handloaders table you cant convince me that a 200grain Xbullet fired stoutly from a 300Wby wont do anything a 338 with a 250 will do, you just cant convince me. Thanks for your support. Recoil of the 300 WSM should be pretty much the same as the 300 Win Mag. Have you ever considered the 270 WSM? The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but under-rated âstandardâ velocity cartridges. I had a 7mm before, love the caliber, but sold the 700. Not as powerful and no longer as popular as it used to be but still excellent. I really like the comparison of the popular loads re: wind drift and drop. tominboise. Imho: I have had both 2- 7mm’s and 3-300’s. The 7mm WSM is becoming a dinosaur right before our eyes. Hi Allen, thanks for your comment. In general .30 cal bullets have a lower BC than 7mm, 6.5, and 6mm bullets. Action V â Magnum Action â 7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag, .338 Win Mag, & .375 H&H Mag. I went back to the .308 until I went to Africa again in late 90s and then 2004. in 99 I took a .300 Weatherby and a .375 Weatherby. Plus, the .270 WSM could poach from an already extensive lineup of .277 bullets designed for the .270 Win. Copyright © 2020 Big Game Hunting Adventures LLC | All Rights Reserved. Stock fit will be the biggest factor in how either one feels. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but under-rated âstandardâ velocity cartridges. Good The 7mm Rem Mag overall length is slightly smaller than the.300 Win Mag â 3.34 inches against 3.29 inches. Like I said earlier, they’re both quite versatile, but each cartridge is just a better choice for certain applications. I totally agree: shot placement is the single most important factor when it comes to quickly and cleanly taking game. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. Itâs still something to think about even if you do have a lot of experience. I own both, and I still preferred the 7mm. Excellent for everything except large dangerous African game. I bought a Winchester Model 70.in 7mm Remington Magnum. On the other hand, since it shoots heavier and larger diameter bullets, the .300 Win Mag has a clear advantage when hunting larger game like elk, moose, caribou, and red stag. used the 7mm alot from the 80s and for me it was a pretty hard kicker not much less than a .300 Win Mag. That’s how I like it! No Reproduction Permitted Without Permission. I can’t count the number of large Russian boars I’ve downed with one shot with the 06 and proper bullets at up to 250 yards.One last thought, it is more powerful than the increasingly popular 308 and shines head and shoulders above it when it comes to using heavy for caliber bullets. After much research on the Ballistics of the 7mm Remington Magnum and comparing that information with similar Cartridges and they’re performance, I have decided to invest in a 7mm Rem. Nosler provided the load data used to compare trajectory, case capacity, and recoil for the cartridges (here and here). However, this is where the strengths and weaknesses of each cartridge start to diverge though. (160 Sp at 3050).475 +2.5" +2.3" 3"@145: 301: 7x61 S&H (154 SP at 3060).433 +2.5" +2.3" 3"@150: 300: 7mm Rem. This is due in large part to the fact that the cartridge uses heavier bullets and has more case capacity. For those reasons, the .308 Norma was extremely popular for a short time. I'm not the best shot but can hold my own. In the WSM .270 fans found a short, powerful, efficient round that could be housed in compact, lightweight short-action rifles and which edged closer to 7mm Rem. I started with an 06. All were dispatched appropriately. Same weight bullet, same velocity = same recoil. John. Does the perfect muley cartridge really exist? Take care, 11-19-2011, 06:15 PM #5: NWDomer. One of the reasons the 6.5CM has gained popularity (besides great marketing) is it has mild recoil that competitive shooters love while maintaining sufficient energy and penetration. It is my go to guide for moose hunting. These will give substantially better performance than the 308 and won't burn barrels nearly as fast as the 7mm mag. This time period saw a wave of new belted magnum cartridges based on the .375 H&H Magnum (like the .264 Winchester Magnum, .338 Winchester Magnum, and .458 Winchester Magnum). I currently have both a 700 Remington and a M77 Ruger type rifles. I found the 300 to be consistently more accurate than 7mm mags. vs. 300 Win. Are you itching to take a rifle chambered in one of these cartridges on a hunt? At the same time, reloading components for both cartridges are also widely available. Additionally, because the cartridges are the same length and have the same rim diameter, rifles of the same model chambered in each cartridge are virtually identical to each other. Gun writers have spilled a lot of ink comparing the accuracy of the 7mm Rem Mag vs 300 Win Mag over the years. As I’ve stated many times: the 7mm Remington Magnum and .300 Winchester Magnum are both outstanding rifle cartridges. Now for Elk I would much rather have more power to anchor an Elk before it gets a chance to get into ⦠I know of a bunch of 300wsm that eject into the scope windage turret and dent brass and mark scope. ⦠Mag. The ballistics coefficient is what determines that. Do you hunt in Canada or Alaska and need a heavy hitting cartridge just in case you find yourself on the wrong end of a brown or grizzly bear attack? The 7mm Rem Mag is a flat shooting round that is available in a good selection of bullet weights, though maybe not as many as the.300 Win Mag. 7mm rem mag is good, but higher chance to hit and still run Since they are such popular bullet sizes used by other cartridges like the 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved, .308 Winchester, and .30-06 Springfield, and 30o PRC, there are lots and lots of .284 and .308 caliber bullets of varying weights and styles to choose from, so you shouldn’t have much trouble working up a custom load that shoots very accurately in your chosen rifle. When using quality bullets and with good shot placement, both the 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag are excellent for hunting medium to large sized game at virtually all practical hunting ranges. However, the distance from the case head to the datum line on the shoulder is longer for the 7WSM, preventing accidental chambering or firing of the .284" 7mm bullet in .270 WSM's .277" bore. Happy hunting, ⦠I have also tested a variety of 30 cals, 300 win mag, 300 rum, 30-378, 30 Lapua, and so on. This is ture, but my tikka 300 wsm even over 100 thous off land and factory mag feed, it shoots better than seating it out to land. I have Load some 208 eldm and push it at 2800fts, itâs a hammer! This was particularly true for the .30-06 Springfield, which has long been the standard against which new centerfire rifle cartridges are measured against in the United States. I have narrowed it down to 7mm or 300 win mag. John. First, letâs talk about the history of the ⦠The book includes 57 chapters, with more than 150 pages of information, jam packed with tips, techniques and discussions - The Ultimate Guide to Moose Hunting! I just don’t want to blow it on an elk hunt when I get out there. We are now offering customized moose shape keychains. John. And in DOUBT , whats the right rifle .As we arent allowed to own many rifles with all our laws, and the weak rand makes everything in SA expensive for us ordinary citizens . The majority of bullet weights used for the 7mm rem mag rounds for hunting purposes fall between 150 and 180gr though there are outliers of lighter and heavier bullets. The 7mm-08 is a bit closer to the 308 and doesn't really come close to the ballistics of the 7mm mag. The Barnes Triple Shock was recovered perfectly mushroom poking the hide of the far side. Chuck Hawks has described the tolerable limit to be around 30 ft-lb. most seasoned moose hunter will find of value. We are now offering customized moose shape keychains. I know I said 7mm rem mag but there is a beautiful kimber 8400 in 7mm wsm for sale on 24hourcampfire . and exactly the same claim is made for the 7mm WSM. “Extremely long” was a poor choice of words. Grew up in a shotgun zone, so rifle recoil isn’t as big of an issue. The logical bottom end for the.300 Winchester ranges between 130 and 150 grains, depending on bullet construction; the 7mm Rem. Modify the mag is easy then get a long bolt stop or just filing it to a long one. Very good article. It isn’t extreme long range but I’ve been in the field enough to prefer to shoot game at under 300 yards and preferably even under 100 yards if circumstances allow. For instance, the vast majority of 7mm Rem Mag factory loads shoot bullets in the 139-175 grain range. They even used the case from the .338 Winchester Magnum (which was itself descended from the .375 H&H) as a model for the new cartridge. Before proceeding, we should reiterate that measuring the action on most rifles should be the first option. If you are determined to use the 7mm bullets look at the 280 rem, 280 improved, and 284 win. Though the .270 Winchester and .30-06 Springfield are both wonderful cartridges that have been incredibly popular with hunters since they were first introduced at the beginning of the 20th Century, gun designers never stopped looking for ways to improve upon the performance of those two old war horses. You can see some of the differences between the .300 Winchester Magnum and 7mm Remington Magnum cartridges in the photo below. Sectional density is a measure of the ratio of the diameter of a projectile to its mass. Mag. Deer never took a step, dropped on the spot, no ruined meat! Thanks. I haven’t had a complaint. Im from South Africa , we shoot alot of Kudu , from 80m to 500m , depending on which farm we hunt. Weight of the bullets in grains does not mean it is better in the wind. Thank you To engage this 7mm RM vs. 300 WM argument you have to be willing to pick at nits because, bottom line, both cartridges (and many other magnums like them) are winners. I personally hunt elk with the .300 Win Mag, but lots of people use the 7mm Mag and it’s also a GREAT choice. Hope this helps! Here is the question for those who have done it – will the 7mm break both shoulders of a large bull elk out to 300yds? Buy some outstanding .300 Winchester Magnum hunting ammo here. plus the 300 mag will be a ⦠However, I am just beginning to research “throat erosion” with 300 WM and curious about 7 mm RM. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, but sometimes important details about the cartridges get overlooked or simply lost in the shuffle. Additionally, the smaller diameter .284″ bullets the 7mm Mag uses have a higher ballistic coefficient and more sectional density than .30 caliber bullets of the same weight used by the .30-06 Springfield. Question is, is there a 7mm Rem Mag overall length is slightly smaller than the.300 Win.. ( 140 BT at 3150 ).485 +2.5 '' +2.4 '' +2.5 '' +2.4 3! 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